http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/-t1.htm Post Your Topics That Doesn't Fit Into Other Forum Here. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:42:17 GMT 10 http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/benzee/logo.gif http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/-t1.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/meeting-up-with-some-members-t105.htm yap_ben It was a great Saturday last week because my wife and I able to meet up with kelvin and T. Saw both of their unit, T was doing his defect checks and as for kelvin we went over his place to check out his renovations. Really nice and alot of $$ has invested in kelvin house. Now I'm also worried with kelvin when his house warming without sofas.. johnvk, I heard kelvin that your unit is a must see so when can we come over to have a look? General Talks Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:42:17 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/meeting-up-with-some-members-t105.htm#2867 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/meeting-up-with-some-members-t105.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/o-ahf-and-now-is-aman-heights-community-forum-t104.htm yap_ben
We have changed our name to Aman Heights Community Forum because it is better because we might get into legal actions but We still serve our AH Owners!]]> General Talks Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:22:55 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/o-ahf-and-now-is-aman-heights-community-forum-t104.htm#2854 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/o-ahf-and-now-is-aman-heights-community-forum-t104.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/phone-line-t101.htm hanyighost How about our phone line? Just now i call AH management office, they said we still can not install phone line yet. No streamyx,very cham one. General Talks Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:29:37 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/phone-line-t101.htm#2783 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/phone-line-t101.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/when-you-want-to-move-in-t96.htm thedude And many have already started their renovation.
So the next question is....

WHEN DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IN TO AMAN HEIGHTS ?]]> General Talks Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:37:27 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/when-you-want-to-move-in-t96.htm#2485 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/when-you-want-to-move-in-t96.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/philips-warehouse-sales-t103.htm kelvin Dear all lovely neighbours Philips warehouse sales is going on from 20 Nov to 22 Nov at shah alam seksyen 23. Who ever haven get ur home appliances, especially Tv set and home theatre set can go there to try ur luck :p Discount is Up to 80% Those future mother and father like me can go and get the mother and child product also (AVENT) discount is up to 50% I personally find it worth it. happy hunting Cheers General Talks Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:29:46 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/philips-warehouse-sales-t103.htm#2849 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/philips-warehouse-sales-t103.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/aman-heights-as-an-investment-t19.htm pneuma Hello all, I would like to start up a topic about purchasing at Aman Heights not just for a home but for investment. Everyone please feel free to input on how is Aman Heights as a property investment. Those with some knowledge and experience, please give your thoughts. I think it would be good for those purchasers and potential buyers to know what would Aman Heights be in the next 10 years cheers! General Talks Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:32:42 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/aman-heights-as-an-investment-t19.htm#142 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/aman-heights-as-an-investment-t19.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/water-connection-t98.htm thedude I think most have already asked for the electricity and water connection. Mine alrady have electricity but until now still no water. Anyone facing any water pressure issue? I brought some frens who are civil engineers to the unit last Sunday and was told that for our type of design, water pressure is always stronger at the upper level floors. He explained that this is because the piping is running on serial connection so the higher floor unit will have more water to use first as the water from ... General Talks Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:23:06 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/water-connection-t98.htm#2577 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/water-connection-t98.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/maintenance-management-fees-t27.htm contiki For those who following up my statement made 14th & 15th on this topic, this issue has been deleted & taken out! General Talks Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:22:18 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/maintenance-management-fees-t27.htm#411 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/maintenance-management-fees-t27.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/who-had-claim-their-lad-t65.htm kelvin Anybody in this forum already claim their LAD? General Talks Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:18:34 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/who-had-claim-their-lad-t65.htm#1280 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/who-had-claim-their-lad-t65.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/nursery-playgroup-t100.htm pneuma Hello everyone, Not sure how many can relate to this but anyhow I am sure some would consider about this sooner or later. According to the AH brochure, there is nursery in AH. I did asked the sales person before and he said that they have not found anyone to take up the nursery yet. Apparently there is a room at the club house reserved for this purpose. I believe residents of AH who are parents of pre-school children would definitely welcome a nursery or a playgroup in AH which would be ... General Talks Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:49:35 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/nursery-playgroup-t100.htm#2617 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/nursery-playgroup-t100.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/ah-1-2-3-status-t41.htm pg Hi, I found this one AH 1 is up and ready without CFO. Great!!! Only waiting for CF. But weird, AH 2 is termed "Sakit" while AH 3 which hasn't launched is termed "Berjalan Lancar" I believe it is a typo. “Berjalan Lancar” for AH 2 and “Sakit” for AH 3. General Talks Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:01:50 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/ah-1-2-3-status-t41.htm#588 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/ah-1-2-3-status-t41.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/will-serdang-heights-jam-in-future-t97.htm tionwooi Guys, here some update info for the previous issue. If u r new, pls click here for details. Bukit Ikhlas oledi open another new exit. I think next time Serdang Heights will b very jam since their new exit will pass thru the main road which will b use by AH too. P/S The pictures above does not belongs to me. It's from Sam, a WordPress blogger. The original post can be found here. All credits belong to him. General Talks Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:54:18 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/will-serdang-heights-jam-in-future-t97.htm#2502 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/will-serdang-heights-jam-in-future-t97.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/rm1000-renovation-deposit-t89.htm hanyighost Walao, normally when they said is REFUNDABLE, then have to wait until N years then only can refund.
We MUST pay?]]> General Talks Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:26:57 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/rm1000-renovation-deposit-t89.htm#2180 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/rm1000-renovation-deposit-t89.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/when-will-get-cf-t58.htm pg
The sales person told me is end of this Aug with no promise.

How about others?]]> General Talks Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:16:27 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/when-will-get-cf-t58.htm#983 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/when-will-get-cf-t58.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/2010-budget-t93.htm DinKnight Hi guys, a list of appendices on the 2010 Budget is available here. Appendix 4 caught my eye, does anyone know if Aman Heights qualifies for Green Building Index (GBI) certificate? Because it seems if it is so, buyers of such property with GBI issued qualify for stamp duty exemption on instruments of transfer of ownership (to owners) for those who sign the SPA between 24 Oct 2009 to 31 Dec 2014. General Talks Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:54:17 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/2010-budget-t93.htm#2368 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/2010-budget-t93.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/car-park-defects-t54.htm thedude Some bays are not so bad but both mine got lots of hardened cement on the surface.
I've also complained about the ugly looking ceiling of the car park. It looks like patch work. Horrible.
If you're going again and have not complained about it, please do get another form and make it official.
BTW, car can go in already but need to get a pass from the guard.]]> General Talks Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:21:26 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/car-park-defects-t54.htm#871 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/car-park-defects-t54.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/ah1-structural-crack-t86.htm pg
You can see these big and long cracks along the aisle for some floors. Not sure about AH2.

2 photos for your reference.



]]> General Talks Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:55:14 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/ah1-structural-crack-t86.htm#2106 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/ah1-structural-crack-t86.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/dryer-machine-state-in-sp-t38.htm cutealex2001 last time about year 2007, the salesperson mention that we will get Free Dryer machine if we purchase a unit.
but recently i checked the S & P, it did not state there.. is my careless mistake for that ..anyone of you got idea on this ?]]> General Talks Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:13:54 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/dryer-machine-state-in-sp-t38.htm#531 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/dryer-machine-state-in-sp-t38.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/joint-management-body-jmb-t69.htm kelvin Hi all, since we had acquire the VP and looking at the poor follow up from developer. I think we should start discussiong about the JMB topic. I personally do not have any experince on this, hence would like to open up this topic for discussion. From what I know this act had been enforce since april 2007 compulsonary all developer to form a Join management commitee not later than 12 months from the date of VP, otherwise will get penalty of 20k or not more than 3 months jail. The JMC member must ... General Talks Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:49:28 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/joint-management-body-jmb-t69.htm#1351 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/joint-management-body-jmb-t69.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/sumatera-earthquake-t82.htm ting sumatera earthquake have any impact on aman heights?...probably hv to go to hv look whether will casue any crack on the building or nt...hope nt... General Talks Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:13:31 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/sumatera-earthquake-t82.htm#1888 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/sumatera-earthquake-t82.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/premature-vp-compensation-claim-t85.htm pg Hi, I am creating this topic for the matter of premature VP. Questions that circulating around are Is the VP premature? What is the supporting evidence? What action can be taken? Individual or collective? Can we file a claim? How? What is the procedure? What is needed? Some of you who have been running around and got some of the answers, perhaps can share so that the rest can focus the next step. Moderator, please delete this topic is you feel this is duplicate. General Talks Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:16:37 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/premature-vp-compensation-claim-t85.htm#1987 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/premature-vp-compensation-claim-t85.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/rental-return-for-aman-height-t81.htm ting expected whole bare unit can rent out with what price?... General Talks Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:33:37 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/rental-return-for-aman-height-t81.htm#1871 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/rental-return-for-aman-height-t81.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/home-defect-rectification-checklist-t26.htm T First of all, let me make it clear that the following article does not belongs to me, it's from aaronpang, a forumer from Lowyat.net forum. The original post can be found here. All credits belong to aaronpang. Since AH1 is ready for handover, many of us will have to go through the defect inspection process and I think the article can serve very well as a guidance which you can refer to when you are doing yours. For all you first time homeowners and property investors, a guide to check ... General Talks Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:40:34 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/home-defect-rectification-checklist-t26.htm#391 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/home-defect-rectification-checklist-t26.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/get-back-my-deposit-t37.htm kittychin Hi all, my loan application had been rejected by the bank.. and i already send the bank rejection letter to the sales person.. the sales person said will help me handle it..but already 1 months.. still din get response from them...will call them tmr again.. hope can get back soon... if any sales person look on this...please reply.. *Please don remove this topics as i not trying to attach AH... just want to get back my deposit... thanks and regards... General Talks Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:56:03 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/get-back-my-deposit-t37.htm#530 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/get-back-my-deposit-t37.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/legal-action-against-errant-developers-t83.htm kelvin 06/04/2009 The Star By Lim Chia Ying LEGAL action will be taken against developers in Selangor who fail to call for a meeting of the Joint Management Body (JMB) under the Building and Common Property (Management & Maintenance) Act 2007. Selangor Real Property and Housing Board executive director Datin Paduka Alinah Ahmad said the Selangor Land Office had identified several developers who had failed to call for a JMB meeting within the stipulated 12-month period. In focus: The ... General Talks Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:01:03 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/legal-action-against-errant-developers-t83.htm#1961 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/legal-action-against-errant-developers-t83.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/refinance-anyone-t55.htm hans Anyone planning to re-finance? General Talks Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:09:56 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/refinance-anyone-t55.htm#899 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/refinance-anyone-t55.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/commercial-strata-title-t30.htm limpekdesu Here is an advise from a licensed land surveyor i refer to.... Our lovely home will have a strata title at the end of the day, and as we know that the Master land title is under residential category, therefore, AH build this type of condominium with all the facilities including shop, perhaps minimart or watever 'commercial component' in our club house, which is supposed to be our common property and eventually owned by our Management corporation. However, i was told that AH is going ... General Talks Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:30:45 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/commercial-strata-title-t30.htm#462 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/commercial-strata-title-t30.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/mlta-or-mrta-t68.htm Hint
WHen you all buy? Right after pay the 10%?

I so confuse nowaday, i just settle my downpayment for my AH2, should i but now or later?

Please advise.

Thank you]]> General Talks Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:32:07 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/mlta-or-mrta-t68.htm#1329 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/mlta-or-mrta-t68.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/pangsapuri-aman-heights-t42.htm L Did anybody aware that our postal address is A-X-X, Block A, Pangsapuri Aman heights, Jalan Bersatu, Serdang Heights, Seksyen 5, 43300 Seri Kembangan, Selangor Darul Ehsan. Pangsapuri sounds very low standard... but i'm ok with the name of the Serdang Heights Any Advise? Why dont they put the name likes Aman Heights, Aman Heights @ Serdang Heights, Aman Heights Resort Condominium, Aman Heights Condominium etc.. is sounds pretty good than pangsapuri = APARTMENT General Talks Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:45:32 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/pangsapuri-aman-heights-t42.htm#592 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/pangsapuri-aman-heights-t42.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/list-of-possible-house-defect-t8.htm Dobot ]]> General Talks Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:17:40 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/list-of-possible-house-defect-t8.htm#54 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/list-of-possible-house-defect-t8.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/aman-heights-phase-i-aman-i-will-soon-be-handed-over-to-266-proud-owners-t21.htm hanyighost http://www.amanheights.com/news_events/news_detail.asp?id=111 As what i understand from the "AMAN HEIGHTS UPDATE APRIL 2009" : Aman Heights Phase I (Aman I) will soon be handed over to 266 proud owners. The wording "soon" still confusing me about the date when can i move in to my house. I am here not to complain, but i am asking for the reason of delayed. Thanks. General Talks Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:58:35 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/aman-heights-phase-i-aman-i-will-soon-be-handed-over-to-266-proud-owners-t21.htm#163 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/aman-heights-phase-i-aman-i-will-soon-be-handed-over-to-266-proud-owners-t21.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/question-on-liquidated-damage-t32.htm pg Went to AH today for making vacant possession appointment. Also had inquired about the liquidated damage claim. AH has a tracking list, the amount is computed as follow 10% X Purchase Price X Day Delayed / 365 This is standard as per S&P. However, per S&P, there should be another 20% claim for facilities compensation as follow 20% X (10% X Purchase Price X Day Delayed / 365) Thus, my question is Liquidated Damage = (10% X Purchase Price X Day Delayed / 365) + [20% ... General Talks Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:46:19 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/question-on-liquidated-damage-t32.htm#466 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/question-on-liquidated-damage-t32.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/all-terminology-related-to-handover-paste-t60.htm kelvin When A Building Is Completed And Safe For Occupation THE certificate of fitness (CF) is an official document issued by the Local Authority to acknowledge that a certain building is safe and can be occupied. According to the Uniform Building By-laws 1994 (UBBL), no one can occupy or be allowed to occupy any part of a building unless a CF or a temporary CF has been issued according to the Street, Drainage and Buildings Act. If this is not adhered to, the person can be charged ... General Talks Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:40:03 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/all-terminology-related-to-handover-paste-t60.htm#1035 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/all-terminology-related-to-handover-paste-t60.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/serious-issue-t48.htm hanyighost
finally we can get our key, but we cant do any renovation before we get our CF.
And we wont know when we can get the CF, and we need to pay maintenance fee start from july.
How come!!!!!]]> General Talks Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:34:28 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/serious-issue-t48.htm#793 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/serious-issue-t48.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/interest-of-late-payment-issued-by-ah-t44.htm L Did any1 charged by AH regarding the interest of the late payment? i took the housing loan frm HLB & my interest of charged is RM4K+ i've ady appeal to the bank last week, since this is not my false to release the payment late. still pending from bank currently .... they are still in the investigation.. i heard from the bank that im not the only one who faced this kind of problem. any idea? have any1 facing this issue?? General Talks Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:08:01 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/interest-of-late-payment-issued-by-ah-t44.htm#712 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/interest-of-late-payment-issued-by-ah-t44.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/finally-vp-lo-t25.htm Steve
Finally i received VP letter loh................!!! yahoo.................!!!]]> General Talks Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:02:30 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/finally-vp-lo-t25.htm#346 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/finally-vp-lo-t25.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/road-from-ah-t-to-ah-t29.htm yap_ben Hey guys & gals, Does anyone realise that the road from the guard house to AH and from AH to the Guard house is quite steep? and matter a fact they allocated a few parking space in the middle so if AH owners or Visitors please place a stopper or have your e-brake or handbrake check if not your car will rolling down. General Talks Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:22:56 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/road-from-ah-t-to-ah-t29.htm#453 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/road-from-ah-t-to-ah-t29.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/if-i-buy-the-ah2-now-and-apply-loan-now-and-if-ipay-the-loan-installment-now-will-i-need-to-pay-the-maintaineng-fees-althougt-the-ah2-yet-to-completed-t23.htm Hint Did any one can share which bank if better the the loan amount low that 200k?



Please advise.]]> General Talks Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:55:31 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/if-i-buy-the-ah2-now-and-apply-loan-now-and-if-ipay-the-loan-installment-now-will-i-need-to-pay-the-maintaineng-fees-althougt-the-ah2-yet-to-completed-t23.htm#192 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/if-i-buy-the-ah2-now-and-apply-loan-now-and-if-ipay-the-loan-installment-now-will-i-need-to-pay-the-maintaineng-fees-althougt-the-ah2-yet-to-completed-t23.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/security-issue-on-the-guarded-wall-t16.htm k3 Hi, Just some comment, do u all think the wall surround AH too low?? everyone can panjat over.. specially wall just behind car park block A & B. Promise for developer is CCTV installed, but do u think the guard won't fall sleep.. and thief snap in and waiting u at car park lift. i have rise the issue to them, request them to make the wall higher.. but i need more ppl complain & support my request... we have forest surround us, although didn't see much of foreign worker ... General Talks Wed, 20 May 2009 04:15:48 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/security-issue-on-the-guarded-wall-t16.htm#100 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/security-issue-on-the-guarded-wall-t16.htm http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/updates-on-when-key-will-be-release-t7.htm Dobot
About the CF I think I will wait first and not sign any agreement until CF is received.]]> General Talks Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:37:04 GMT http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/updates-on-when-key-will-be-release-t7.htm#41 http://amanheights.forumotion.net/general-talks-f3/updates-on-when-key-will-be-release-t7.htm